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Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 10:11 AM
To: DLaw@ci.renton.wa.us; dpersson@ci.renton.wa.us; rcorman@ci.renton.wa.us; MPalmer@ci.renton.wa.us
Subject: Long night last night…
Dear Denis, Don, Marcie & Randy –
That was a long one last night (I watched on TV from home after Committee of the Whole upstairs).
I’ve attended many various city and county council meetings over my 30 year career. I really appreciated that you took the time, and took the heat, while trying to do the right thing for the Renton community on the issues you faced last night. You are first class.
I’m proud to live in Renton and have you as my representatives.
Thanks a lot, and hang in there!
Mark Hancock
When we were having the debate about whether the council should review city contracts between 20K and 50K (see my previous posting below), we were covering a lot of ground in our debate. Don Persson explained it was our duty to make sure we knew in advance where money was being committed; I agreed and pointed out we could easily and swiftly approve contracts as consent agenda items if they were provided to us in advance of our weekly council meeting. But Dan and Terry kept insisting that for the fifty annual contracts between $20,000 and $50,000, the council should not see them, and that Don and Denis and Marcie and I must simply be untrusting. I went on to point out that often the issue is priorities more than trust, e.g. when we spend money for new economic development studies it should be for areas of interest to the council….the mayor and staff may not know what we want. The debate went back to Terri, Don, Dan, and Denis a few times, and then I began asking for the floor again but not getting recognized. Then the mayor recognized Toni, who said that our finance director does a good job keeping receipts (which is true, but a bit beside the point), but then she closed by saying something unfortunate along the lines that we must just all be idiots, and she “called for the question.”
The mayor smiled and tried to end the debate, but I did not intend to be denied my opportunity to speak or to let the idiot comment go unresolved. So I declared a point of order, and pointed out that “calling for the question” does not stop debate by itself…it is a motion that must pass in order to stop the debate. Dan Clawson, an attorney and council member immediately responded that I was wrong, as did our city attorney. I reached for my guide on Roberts Rules of Order, stood up to present the facts to the city attorney, who could now tell by my demeanor that she must be mistaken. The chambers quieted down as the city attorney read from her copy, while I read along silently on mine; calling for the question needed a “second,” and a two-thirds vote to pass. The attorney then declared the motion which called for the question dead for lack of a second. I then asked for the floor, but before the mayor recognized me, Terry Briere called “second”, and the mayor recognized her “second” even though the motion was already dead.
While I rightfully should have had the floor, I did not make a fuss because I knew the motion would not get two-thirds of the council’s approval after the majority had all just been called idiots.
So, we took a vote on the “call for the question,” which predictably received three yes votes, and four no votes…my colleagues were ready to let me finish my comments. But instead of declaring the motion dead, the mayor asked the clerk to determine whether she had the necessary two-thirds vote to end debate! I guess the math got away from her…she was not sure if 3/7 was as high as 2/3! The clerk sighed and said, no, the motion did not get two-thirds of the council’s support. At this point my patience was growing thin, and I asked for the floor one more time. The mayor, looking angrily frustrated, panned around the council seemingly looking for some way she could change the situation so that I would not be allowed to speak….I felt like if there were a fire alarm lever behind her she may have pulled it. I asked again for the floor, pointing out I had now counted four times in a row that she refused to recognize me even though the majority of council members would have liked to hear what I had to say five minutes earlier. Crestfallen, she finally recognized me “…Misssterrrr Cooorrrrman…”
I kept my comments brief, pointing out that none of the council were idiots, and that all all seven of us have made valuable contributions to contract language in the past. We can improve these contracts, and give service to the taxpayers, merely by the seven of us taking a look at them in our council packets. This was not an issue of winning or losing power so much as a way to use eight elected officials to the taxpayers full advantage. Toni Nelson then clarified that she had not meant to call us idiots, and Don’s motion to review the contracts passed 5 to 2 on a roll-call vote. Yay!
For those of you who watched the council meeting Monday night, where Councilman Persson asked that council begin reviewing and approving all the city contracts between $20,000 and $50,000 in value, here are the RCWs that govern. Marcie Palmer, Denis Law and I all backed Don, as Don pointed out that the mayor’s office has been approving 50 of these a year, adding up to anywhere from one million to two and a half million dollars. As chair of Finance, Don wanted direct oversight of this spending, something that councilmembers Terri Brier and Dan Clawson did not want council to have. Warning: Possibly BOR-ING to those who don’t like legalese…
Again, here are the RCWs:
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Here is an informative reminder about the upcoming Rainier Avenue closure, from Today’s PI: READ MORE »
My wife loves animals! She is the one who insisted we live on more than an acre in an area zoned for animals. Here is a cute picture I shot of her in 1982, at University of California Davis. She was showing the cow, Clarabelle, in a campus competition. Click to enlarge the photo to full size.

(I just recieved this information directly from citizens, the Bogarts.)
The Recording industry is starting to go after dance DJ’s now! I did not see this coming….apearantly, if a DJ buys an album, and plays it at a dance, he/she is breaking the law.
Yikes! A bunch of Seattle clubs have already been raided. Are Renton clubs next? Here is the Seattle Times story about this…. READ MORE »
I have been recieving more inquiries about the garbage pilot program, so I have let staff know that I wish to hear more about this at the Monday Council meeting (7:00 PM, Monday Aug 6, 7th Floor, Renton City Hall; also can be viewed via live telecast on cable channel 21 or on the internet at www.rentonwa.gov).
I have a few questions…and if I don’t think of every question, members of the public can ask questions during audience comment.
This may be a good program; I’m reserving final jusdgement until we get an airing of the concerns.
Here is an email I sent to council, staff, and a citizen named Mr. George Rock (who was one of those who wrote to council on this matter).
Randy
—–Original Message—–
From: Randy Corman
To: Daniel Clawson; George Rock
Cc: Citizens to Council; Linda Knight
Subject: RE: Renton City Collection Pilot Program # 2 #3
Council-
Actually, I do have a few questions about this pilot program that I
intend to bring up at Monday’s council meeting. Perhaps Mr. Rock could
join us, or tune in on television. I remember how much of an
improvement it was to go to every-week yard waste collection, because
prior to that residents were frequently getting confused as to the
pick-up weeks…particularly when there were holidays or snow storms. If
a resident goofs, and misses the garbage week (fails to get his/her four
cans down to the street by 6:00 AM on the every-other-week garbage date)
the result will be eight cans of garbage sitting for almost a month in
someone’s side yard. Yuck! I just want to be sure we know what we are
doing, and that people are ready for this.
Thanks,
Randy Corman
Citizens needed more information and involvment before the mayor launched this garbage pilot program….and a briefing to the council would have been very nice and appropriate as well.
I am not keen on the idea of garbage collection every two weeks…I think that is asking for trouble from pests and odors. Also, the idea of large housholds like mine stockpiling four cans seems like a lot of garbage sitting around in neighborhoods. And yes, we can put the food waste in the garbage disposal or the yard-waste container, but what about greasy food wrappers that attract rodents for weeks at a time.
If we are trying to pilot something like this, I feel we need an opt-out option for people who don’t want to be part of the pilot program, and we ideally should work though the neighborhood program to see if there is a neighborhood that would volunteer to test this concept. I don’t think it is fair to simply send someone a letter saying we are cutting their service and that they will have to pay the same fee as always…end of story.
Click here to see one of the emails council has recieved on this topic
A certain Burien towing company just charged a Renton woman $408 to tow an empty U-haul Trailer from Renton to Burien. They also charged her about $400 more to tow her car the same distance. Appearantly, these seemingly ridiculous rates are their “posted rates” for such service, so presumedly they are what you would be charged if you hired them to take your car to the shop.
Sadly, this woman did not even want her vehicle towed. She had it parked at her Renton apartment complex, for the next day’s big move, and the apartment manger arranged a “private non-consent” towing. The woman tells me she was not parked in any of the complex’s marked and cross-hatched fire lanes, and she was not blocking traffic. But she says the owner has painted every curb red in the whole parking lot, and there is no place for a car-trailer rig to queue or park without being next to a red curb…she tried to do her best.
But she is not so upset about the fact that her vehicle was towed as she is about the how much that the tow cost her. She says she was billed over $800 by the towing company, to get her vehicle back a few hours after they took it from her complex. And they only tranported it about five miles.
I rooted around in some legal paperwork on the tow company’s website, and realized that this woman is incredibly lucky that the towing company did not store her car and trailer for any length of time. Their standard agreement with apartment owners says that they would have billed her $3000 per month for storage (for a car and trailer), again without her consent. At this rate, their lot may be the most expensive parking in the Seattle area, far exceeding prices charged at Seatac Airport, Quest Field, and Seattle Waterfront lots. In fact, the tow company could rent a five bedroom house in Belleve, and store cars in the garage, and it would be less expensive than the price they charge for their lot.
The tow company also features automobile auctions on their site…no doubt many of which are vehicles that people living paycheck-to-paycheck could never afford to get out of hawk. I wonder how many working people have lost their jobs because they can’t get to work because a towing company has charged them $800 for a five-mile tow, or $3000 a month to store their car. When this happens, and I know it does occasionally, the taxpayers cover it with Section 8, aid, foodstamps, and who knows, maybe even foster care for the kids.
This woman did the right thing though….fortunatly, she had enough money and had the presence of mind to pay the ridiculous fee, and get her car and trailer back before the tow company owned her car. After making her successful move, she has asked the Renton Council if we can find a way to better regulate such unfair circumstances.
I don’t know if state legislators give the Renton Council this power or not, but I intend to look into it. Meanwhile, I would ask the tow companies to voluntarily not charge more to non-consent customers than they do to consenting ones…it’s common decency and fairness. The tow companies’ role is to remove hazards and trespasses, not to issue fines on people and then keep the money! And if $408 is in-fact the going rate for this company to tow an empty U-haul trailer from Renton to Burien, and $400 is the price for towing a car the same five miles, then I’ll challenge this towing company to prominently post this rate on their website…I’m sure their potential customer base would like to know.
There will not be a council meeting tomorrow night because it is the fifth Monday of the month. Instead, most of us will be attending Marcie Palmer’s campaign open house at Councilman Don Persson’s beautiful home on Renton Hill. You are all invited to join us!
It will be a terrific event, and will give everyone a chance to get to know Marcie better if they have not had an opportunity to visit with her yet.
Here is the invite off of her website:
Renton Citizens to Re-Elect Marcie Palmer Open House
Monday, July 30th, 2007 from 5:00 to 7:00 pm
Dear Friends:
I am asking you to join me and my campaign team–Renton Citizens to Re-Elect Marcie Palmer–at an open house being sponsored by the campaign at the home of Don and Vicky Persson on Monday, July 30th, from 5:00 to 7:00 pm. Stop by for some light refreshments and take a moment to meet with me and let me know what issues facing Renton are important to you. This information will be invaluable to me as I continue my campaign to retain my seat on the Renton City Council.
Don and Vicky live on Renton Hill at 538 Renton Avenue South. Parking is down the alley at the rear of the house. You can reach us at their place the day of the open house at 206-579-8804.
There’s nothing to bring (but your financial support of my campaign is always appreciated). I look forward to seeing you and we would greatly appreciate it if you plan on attending to please let us know by July 23rd by sending an e-mail to info@Palmer2007.com.
Many thanks,
Marcie Palmer
and Renton Citizens to Re-Elect Marcie Palmer
For more information visit www.marciepalmer.com
Hmmm-
Looks like Renton got a dishonorable mention in this special to the Whidbey News Tribune…
(I agree with Mr. Guppy’s perspective…you can learn how I formed my opinion by reading about eminent domain on my website, www.randycorman.com.)
Sound Off: Your home is not your castle
By Paul Guppy
Jul 21 2007
“…In Renton, Mayor Kathy Koelker said she envisioned “the next generation’s new single-family housing,” and attempted to take away the homes of working class families. Public outcry ended the scheme, for now….
I was just copied on an interesting email regarding the unfairness in the way the Renton Reporter is providing free column space in the midst of a very competitive campaign. Why did this column have to begin after both mayoral candidates had announced their intention to run for mayor…couldn’t the paper had waited until November to start the new feature if they were not going to give equal space to all? I have never seen another paper do this, and I thought the editor of the Renton Reporter had assured everyone that the disparate treatment between Councilman Law and Mayor Keolker would end after filing for election, a milestone that we passed early last month.
You may be glad to hear that the artificial spine is now commercially available over the internet.
(It’s possible this product may also help protect against backstabbings, but I wouldn’t personally rely on that). 🙂
Randy
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